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Coleman, Johnny (1888-1893); Located + Pics: St Boniface, Manitoba, Canada)
Topic Started: May 10 2011, 02:32 PM (9,461 Views)
Camillo

john coleman died March 22 (not 4th may 1927) in canada aged 57.

played outside left for hibs v cowlairs on 8th may 1888 in very first game at first Celtic Park.

Scored the only goal in our second ever game v dundee harp.

Made 18 apps, scored 3 goals in 5 years at cp.
Took over as reserve team coach from jimmy curtis in 1893.

http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Coleman%2C+John

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steve

Different date of birth to the one in the Wiki and AotC, but the death date ties in with the obituary notice.

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Name:John Coleman
Gender:Male
Age at Death:60
Birth Date:18 Jun 1866
Death Date:20 Mar 1927
Death Place:St Boniface, Manitoba, Canada


Province of Manitoba website - http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php

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steve

He did lie about his age to get into the army in WW1.

If his AotC/Wiki DOB is correct, then he's have been just 17 when he played Hibs and 18 when he made his Celtic debut.

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steve

There's a Canadian gravestone project, but I can't find him in the local Catholic cemy.

http://cemetery.canadagenweb.org/MB/MBS1663/index2.html
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steve

A "John Coleman" was indeed born in Cardross in 1870.

Here are the other 3 born around this time.

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1 1869 COLEMAN JOHN M ST NICHOLAS ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/01 1488
2 1870 COLEMAN JOHN M CARDROSS /DUNBARTON 494/00 0006
3 1865 COLEMAN WILLIAM JOHN M CAMBUSNETHAN /LANARK 628/00 0577
4 1865 COLEMAN WILLIAM JOHN M HUTCHESONTOWN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/10 1684


Odd.
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steve

And that newspaper snippet was from The Montreal Gazette - Mar 23, 1927
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steve

Signed up for a free trial of a newspaper archive service - but the quality is dreadful.

Here's their text version of an unreadable article from the Winnipeg Free Press 23 March 1927

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On March 20 at St. Boni- face Hospital, John Coleman, 856 ord St., aged 62 years. Fun- eral 2 p.m. Wednesday from the A.B. Gardiner Funeral Home 172 Kennedy. S
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steve

Here's the clipping. Read through the Winnipeg Free Press around his death date, but no other mentions. Odd that a Montreal newspaper would pick it up, but not his local one. Heidscratcher.

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steve

There's something not right here.

It says in the Montreal obit. that Johnny was one of the founders of the Manitoba FA, but that was up and running in 1896. Johnny was in charge of the reserves then, in Dennistoun in 1901, and signing up in 1914.

http://www.canadiansoccerhistory.com/Manitoba/Manitoba%20FA.html

Then there's the completely different dates of birth.
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tollcross

One for rebus i think!

Just emailed the Canadian FA historian and asked if he can help, thats a cracking site Steve.

http://www.canadiansoccerhistory.com/Manitoba/Manitoba-%20The%20Early%20Years.html
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