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I'm on the trail of a Phil Murray

Born in England 1866.
Married Ellen Graham in 1887 at St Joseph's in Blantyre.
1891

He was a miner and by the census in 1891 he had two kids Mary (2) and Philip.
Philip Junior looks to have died young as he is not listed on the 1901 census which has Mary (12), William (9), and John (7).

Could be our guy but a lot of work still to do.

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This Philip was the son of Phillip (Miner) and Margaret Murray (nee'Tracey).1871 Census


1871 Scotland Census about Philip Murray
Name:Philip Murray
Age:5
Estimated birth year:abt 1866
Relationship:Son
Father's Name:Philip
Mother's Name:Margaret
Gender:Male
Where born:Engand
Registration Number:498
Registration district:Kirkintilloch
Civil parish:Kirkintilloch
County:Dumbartonshire
Address:Twechar Row No 1
ED:11
Household schedule number:62
Line:20
Roll:CSSCT1871_87
Household Members:
NameAge
Philip Murray45
Margaret Murray34
William Murray8
Margaret Murray6
Philip Murray5
James Murray3

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1881 Scotland Census about Phillip Murray
Name:Phillip Murray
Age:15
Estimated birth year:abt 1866
Relationship:Son
Father's Name:Phillip
Mother's Name:Margaret
Gender:Male
Where born:England, Staffordshire
Registration Number:647
Registration district:Hamilton
Civil parish:Hamilton
Town:Hamilton
County:Lanarkshire
Address:67 Windsor Street
Occupation:Coalminer
ED:18
Household schedule number:263
Line:5
Roll:cssct1881_260
Household Members:
NameAge
Phillip Murray53
Margaret Murray45
William Murray20
Margaret Murray18
Phillip Murray15
John Connelly23


Father and Mother both born in County Derry.

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In 1900 His father (Phillip) died in Blantyre aged 73

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There's a chance he died outside of Scotland as there's no sign of him or his wife in the death records

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Sitting here greeting as I've just traced phil and his family who emigrated to Pensylvania. I'll post the details later.

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1910 United States Federal Census about Philip Murray
Name:Philip Murray
Age in 1910:45
Estimated birth year:abt 1865
Birthplace:England
Relation to Head of House:Head
Father's Birth Place:Ireland
Mother's Birth Place:Ireland
Spouse's name:Ellen
Home in 1910:Hempfield, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania
Marital Status:Married
Race:White
Gender:Male
Year of Immigration:1901
Neighbors:View others on page
Household Members:
NameAge
Philip Murray45
Ellen Murray40
Mary Murray21
Philip Murray18
William Murray17
John Murray15
Margaret Murray14
Peters Murray11
Ellen Murray9
James D Murray7
Patrick H Murray6
Hughe Murray4
Winnifred Murray1

The Miracode index


Pennsylvania 1910 Miracode Index about Philip Murray
Name:Philip Murray
Birthplace:England
State:PA
Age:45
Color:W
Enumeration District:0138
Visit:0524
County:Westmoreland
Relation:Head of Household
Other Residents:
RelationNameAgeBirth Place
WifeEllen40Scotland
DaughterMary21Scotland
SonPhilip18Scotland
SonWilliam17Scotland
SonJohn16Scotland
DaughterMargaret14Scotland
SonPeter11Scotland
DaughterEllen09Scotland
SonJames D07Pennsylvania
SonPatrick H06Pennsylvania
SonHugh04Pennsylvania
DaughterWinnifredNRPennsylvania

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Great work sur, fascinating stuff.

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Thought I'd lost him there

Still going strong in 1920 although he's now married to Allen. A few accent difficulties for the census people there I think


1920 United States Federal Census about Phillip Murray
Name:Phillip Murray
[Phillup Murray]
Home in 1920:West Deer, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
Age:54
Estimated birth year:abt 1866
Birthplace:England
Relation to Head of House:Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse's name:Allen
Father's Birth Place:England
Mother's Birth Place:England
Marital Status:Married
Race:White
Sex:Male
Home owned:Rent
Year of Immigration:1902
[1912]
Able to read:Yes
Able to Write:Yes
Neighbors:View others on page
Household Members:
NameAge
Phillip Murray54
Allen Murray50
William Murray27
John Murray25
Margerite Murray23
Peter Murray20
Allen Murray19
James D Murray17
Henry Murray13
[12]
Hugh Murray12
Winifred Murray10
[15]

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Incredible stuff J!!! What a find. And what an amazing turnaround time.

If they'd put you on the trail of our new manager the announcement would have been made months ago!!!

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Here are my original six choices for 1891

View RecordNameParent or Spouse NamesEstimated birth yearBirthplaceRelationCivil parishCounty
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Philip MurrayMargaret abt 1851Ayr, AyrshireHeadAyrAyrshire
View Record
Philip MurrayCathleen abt 1858IrelandHeadGlasgow GovanLanarkshire
View Record
Phillip Murray abt 1860IrelandLodgerEdinburgh St LukeMidlothian
View Record
Robert Philp MurrayJames,
Mary Philp abt 1862Glasgow, LanarkshireSonGovanLanarkshire
View Record
Philip MurrayEllen abt 1866EnglandHeadBlantyreLanarkshire
View Record
Philip MurrayCatherine abt 1868Greenock, Renfrewshire -HeadGreenock WestRenfrew

and 1881

View RecordNameParent or Spouse NamesEstimated birth yearBirthplaceRelationCivil parishCounty
View Record
Phillip MurrayJohn,
Maria abt 1859Stirling, StirlingshireSonBonhillDumbartonshire
View Record
Phillip MurrayPhillip,
Margaret abt 1866England, StaffordshireSonHamiltonLanarkshire
View Record
Phillip MurrayPhillip,
Margaret abt 1866England, StaffordshireSonHamiltonLanarkshire
View Record
Phillip MurrayMichael,
Elizabeth abt 1869Greenock, Renfrewsh.SonGreenock WestRenfrew

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1891 Census for our Phillip

1891 Scotland Census about Philip Murray
Name:Philip Murray
Age:25
Estimated birth year:abt 1866
Relationship:Head
Spouse's name :Ellen
Gender:Male
Where born:England
Registration Number:624
Registration district:Blantyre
Civil parish:Blantyre
County:Lanarkshire
Address:23 Bairds Row
Occupation:Coal Miner
ED:7
Household schedule number:41
Line:19
Roll:CSSCT1891_223
Household Members:
NameAge
Philip Murray25
Ellen Murray21
Mary Murray2
Philip Murray10 Mo
Hugh Christie boarder

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1901 Scotland Census about Philip Murray
Name:Philip Murray
Age:36
Estimated birth year:abt 1865
Relationship:Head
Spouse's name :Ellen
Gender:Male
Where born:England
Registration Number:624
Registration district:Blantyre
Civil parish:Blantyre
County:Lanarkshire
Address:13 Netherfield Pl
Occupation:Colling Checkwrigttner
ED:5A
Household schedule number:304
Line:20
Roll:CSSCT1901_246
Household Members:
NameAge
Philip Murray36
Ellen Murray30
Mary Murray12
William Murray9
John Murray7
Maggie Murray5
Peter Murray2
Ellen Murray1 m

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Brilliant work

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http://www.aflcio.org/aboutus/history/history/murray.cfm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Murray

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This isn't the same Phil Murray (given year of birth) but it looks as though there's a v good chance they're related!

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Yep must be a connection P.

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Camillo thinks it's an uncle and hopefully will confirm.

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I'd better buy the rights to this book sharpish.

Philip Murray Trade Union Leader-possibly the most important union leader in American History and his Father Willam arrived in New York in December 1903 on a ticket paid for by their Uncle and Brother Philip Murray,- who played for Celtic in their first ever match - (my quote in bold)

Philip Murray is buried in Saint Anne's Cemetery in the south suburbs of Pittsburgh at Castle Shannon a former mining area

In the 1950s, Murray continued to press for the political, social and economic advance of working people, leading his last major strike against the steel industry in 1952. Shortly thereafter, he died of a heart attack in San Francisco, honored by millions as a truly humane and visionary leader of the labor movement.

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Other phil in 1891 census

1891 Scotland Census about William Murray
Name:William Murray
Age:30
Estimated birth year:abt 1861
Relationship:Head
Spouse's name :Elizabeth
Gender:Male
Where born:England
Registration Number:625/1
Registration district:Bothwell
Civil parish:Bothwell
County:Lanarkshire
Address:18 Baird's Sq
Occupation:Coalminer
ED:2
Household schedule number:269
Line:16
Roll:CSSCT1891_224
Household Members:
NameAge
William Murray30
Elizabeth Murray28
Mary Murray6
Philip Murray4
Jane Dingsdale4
Margt Murray11

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And he played and coached fitba


Studious Murray was but an excessive drone he was not. He was as good a ‘paddy’ storyteller as there was, a prankster who tied sleepers’ toes to bedposts in boarding houses and a soccer player who played the game (and coached his team) in a fiercely scrappy and competitive way.

A group picture taken during the year he arrived in Madison, shows the young seventeen year old Philip standing among mature middle-aged-looking men, staring out at the camera with a look of daring readiness on his face, telling all who would take notice that he was prepared for whatever challenge, physical or mental, that might be hurled against him.

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Brilliant stuff C!! What a connection! A number of the men involved in Celtic's early days had strong links with the nascent trade union movement.

Which book did you find that in then?!?

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An ebook called PHILIP MURRAY: Biographical Portrait of a Union Man. There is also a feature article in LIFE magazine on Phil Murray which says,

"During Mine Lay-offs he played an indifferent outside left at soccer. His Uncle Phil recalls that he, "was too big in the feet" ever to be a really good soccer player although he later managed soccer teams with some success."

I've got all of this stuff saved on my hard drive just not sure of the best way to post it.

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This is a fantastic story and one that is part of our heritage untold.

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Wow. And wow again! This is truly impressive. Getting quotes from one of the first ever Celtic players about his nephew who became a giant of the US trade union movement. Genius! Which year is the Life article C? Sounds as though Uncle Phil might have lived to a good age also.

How about posting the details on the KDS wiki? I've started a page about Phil there (Dionagh - could you check this is formatted ok, haven't done this much before). It's entitled 'Murray, Philip'. It's easy to post/copy and paste large blocks of text as well as pics and links. Give me a shout if you need a hand.




Note: on KDS, there is mention of Phil Murray playing for Blantyre Vics v Celtic in '93:

http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/1893-0....tic%2C+Friendly

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I'll try and get them posted up there. Saving the deatils on my HD just ow and trying to make them most of this ancestry memebrship before they charge my hunners.

Our Phil Murray's son in the 1930 census. Trying to establish living rels for him and where he may be buried. And when he died for that matter.

1930 United States Federal Census about Margaret Murray
Name:Margaret Murray
Home in 1930:West Deer, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
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Age:26
Estimated birth year:abt 1904
Relation to Head of House:Wife
Spouse's name: William
Race:White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:

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Neighbors:View others on page
Household Members:
NameAge
William Murray36
Margaret Murray26
Anges Murray9
Margaret Murray7
Ida Murray6
William Murray5 1/12
Ellen Murray3 11/12
Francis Murray8/12

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Another son Peter on the 1930 census


1930 United States Federal Census about Peter Murray
Name:Peter Murray
Home in 1930:West Deer, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
View Map
Age:30
Estimated birth year:abt 1900
Birthplace:Scotland
Relation to Head of House:Head
Spouse's name: Hannah
Race:White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:

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Neighbors:View others on page
Household Members:
NameAge
Peter Murray30
Hannah Murray25
Phillip Murray7
Hugh Murray6
Anna Murray4 3/12
James Murray2
Ellen Murray6/12
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Record

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I put out a request to hear from Pennsylvania Tims last night. Got three within 20 mins

I have a lhad who is based in NJ across the border but whose girlfriend is a lawyer who could track the information we require.

Another is asking in his CSC if they have anyone with some local knowledge of Catholic burials who could help.

The power of the Celtic family eh.

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What a reach! That is something else, isn't it? I've noticed in the past how active the North American fans are. Another great development C.

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Incredible C, just incredible. A family's history laid bare before us. And what a story too.

Did our Philip die in the States too C? (A bit of an obvious question but not sure if you're holding back on a sensational ending to the story or not!!)

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I've contacted the guy who took those photos asking him to help us. He may be local too and able to ask around hopefully. Our Phil sadly is not on this register but I'm still hopeful one of our American Tims can come up trumps with a date of death and a burial place.

I think this story is incredible and I baggsy the film rights

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It really is a story. Phil Murray and his relations had some impact across the pond. He proved a lot more successful at establishing a foothold in the US labour movement than James Connelly did. Big Phil would have been playing in Edinburgh round about the time JC returned to the city (after his spell in the British Army - but ssshhhh, that doesn't like to be broadcast too much!)

Maybe this could fit into the Connelly film script that's doing the rounds!!

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Sensational find

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Brilliant work.

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great effort cammilo

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westmorelan....10%E2%80%931911

Trying to collate any other possible sources of info on Phil Murray

http://www.westdeertownship.com/West%20deer%20HTML/West_Deer%20plus.htm

Philip Murray of the Steelworkers married Elizabeth Lavery and adopted a son, Joseph William Murray who married Mary Murray

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Interesting development. I'm tracking Phil Murray the Union leader to see if I can see any family news which might point to where our Phil lies.

In a collection of his papers at the Catholic University of America in Washington are various historical documents. There is also a collection of photos. One of the photos amongst various union leaders is this description.

Number 28Scottish soccer player and coach (3), 1950-1951

I'd be very interested to see who that is.

http://libraries.cua.edu/achrcua/murray.html

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I also have a local historian on the case in Pennsylvania and he has just sent me this...

"HelloC

I'm resending this e-mail as I have reason to believe you never received the 1st one I sent a while ago.

I checked with Deer Creek Cemetery and they do not have a listing for Phil Murray.
At some point I intend to go to the local newspaper and check out the obits on their micro film and see if I can locate his children Peter and William. Maybe their obits may contain some information.
In the meantime I'll hold onto your e-mail.

Rich Fedoush

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Celtic played the Philadelphia All-Stars on June 3rd 1950 at Cahill Field, Philly C (see link here to programme cover - http://www.celticprogrammesonline.com/PR....elphia5051.htm)

Surely the Murray family were along cheering on the Bhoys!!

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This him?
http://news.google.co.uk/newspapers?nid=djft3U1LymYC&dat=19491206&printsec=frontpage

Type Page 30 into the Google input box

Philip Murray, Dec 4th 1949, age 84

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Aye, definitely him. From the same issue.

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amazing work

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Fantastic stuff Steve. This is wonderful.

Welcome to the board

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WELL DONE STEVE!!!

THIS IS OUR MAN!

CHILDREN'S NAMES TALLY UP WITH THAT IN THE 1901 CENSUS (BELOW)
GREAT WORK MATE!!!


1901 Scotland Census about Philip Murray
Name: Philip Murray
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 624
Registration district: Blantyre
Civil parish: Blantyre
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 13 Netherfield Pl
Occupation: Colling Checkwrigttner
ED: 5A
Household schedule number: 304
Line: 20
Roll: CSSCT1901_246
Household Members:
Name Age
Philip Murray 36
Ellen Murray 30
Mary Murray 12
William Murray 9
John Murray 7
Maggie Murray 5
Peter Murray 2
Ellen Murray 1 m