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| Camillo | Jan 25 2011, 06:18 AM Post #1 |
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JAMES MCLAUGHLIN ***Located and pics*** camillo Ideas? What's been done in the past? A common name so it'll be a real quest to find him online. Played for Govan Whitefield weeshamrock « Reply #1 on Jun 7, 2010, 10:14pm » I think the bold James might prove to be the toughest nut to crack in this initial quest of ours. I've never come across any substantial info on him and there's not much about Govan Whitefield out there either. (There was more than 1 headstone for James McLaughlin in Dalbeth cemetery I noticed on Saturday, whilst keeping an eye for the former director John McLaughlin. What's the chances???) SaintMartin « Reply #2 on Jun 7, 2010, 10:22pm » Chances could be good. I reckon there'll be lots more early players for the club at rest in Dalbeth. camillo « Reply #3 on Jun 8, 2010, 12:09am » Could be lads but remember that he played in Govan. We absolutely have to track this ones dob and date of death to confirm it's our guy. weeshamrock « Reply #4 on Jun 9, 2010, 2:26pm » There are details in the Alphabet about James McLaughlin who played in Celtic's 2nd game against Dundee Harp, making 3 first team appearances in total. VT - do you think this is the same James McLaughlin who played in both games? If so then his DOB is 16.9.1864 and he died in Glasgow on 25th March 1946. The Alphabet states he played at right-back in the game against Dundee Harp. His career started (Cowlairs, Hibs then Celtic) as a forward but - incredibly - he switched to goalkeeper while a Celtic player (!) and made his debut as keeper in the North-Eastern Cup final v Cowlairs which we won on 11th May 1889. He was our keeper when we got knocked out the Scottish Cup by QP on 14.9.89. Later a wine and spirit merchant in Airdrie although Glasgow is identified as the place of birth. SO - IS THIS OUR JAMES? The only fly in the ointment seems to be that the JM who played in the first ever game was a Govan Whitefield player, while this JM joined us direct from Hibernian. But I think it would be too much of a coincidence for us to have TWO James McLaughlins who played in consecutive games at full back for us and for it not to be the same man. Players were not contracted to clubs in the same way as nowadays and were perpetual free agents, so his association with Govan Whitefield may have been fairly limited. Of course we now know that Harry (or Charlie) Gorevin, the other Govan Whitefield player in our First Eleven, was also at Hibs the season before, so a team mate of James. And of course a team-mate of Phil Murray also at Easter Road. I think this is our man. In order to ensure a decent crowd for the first game I don't think Celtic would have called on Govan Whitefield players who hadn't played at a higher level and preferably with a Hibs connection, like most of our First Eleven. Thoughts bhoys and ghirls? camillo « Reply #5 on Jun 9, 2010, 4:48pm » Great work WS. Great work. I've looked at a few on the census and have some candidates and will check out SP for confirmation tonight. It would be great to get James done and dusted and leave the field open to confirm a few actual death places. weeshamrock « Reply #6 on Jun 9, 2010, 4:51pm » If this pans out then there's a good chance he is in Dalbeth - and one of the J McLaughlans we passed there on Saturday!! Any thoughts VT? viewparktims « Reply #7 on Jun 9, 2010, 8:34pm » Everything would seem to point to it being the same guy but I'm not 100% sure as the name was common and the spelling of it varies in match reports maleysspirit « Reply #8 on Jun 9, 2010, 11:28pm » Hi gents, just joined, you can check any digitised death notices from the herald online now via the google news archive. i did a quick check on this one and there is an entry for a james mclaughlin on 26th march 1946, it says he died in Airdrie, funeral at St Margarets and was a wine and spirit merchant, he was buried at St kentigerns in Lambhill. Have not had time to go through all the players you have listed yet but using the herald online archive via google is free, quick and should help with cemetery and other info, death notices are usually the following day or two and obituaries followa day or two later. camillo « Reply #9 on Jun 10, 2010, 12:56am » Jun 9, 2010, 11:28pm, maleysspirit wrote: Hi gents, just joined, you can check any digitised death notices from the herald online now via the google news archive. i did a quick check on this one and there is an entry for a james mclaughlin on 26th march 1946, it says he died in Airdrie, funeral at St Margarets and was a wine and spirit merchant, he was buried at St kentigerns in Lambhill. Have not had time to go through all the players you have listed yet but using the herald online archive via google is free, quick and should help with cemetery and other info, death notices are usually the following day or two and obituaries followa day or two later. MS Great tip mate. Welcome. weeshamrock « Reply #10 on Jun 10, 2010, 2:19am » Jun 9, 2010, 11:28pm, maleysspirit wrote: Hi gents, just joined, you can check any digitised death notices from the herald online now via the google news archive. i did a quick check on this one and there is an entry for a james mclaughlin on 26th march 1946, it says he died in Airdrie, funeral at St Margarets and was a wine and spirit merchant, he was buried at St kentigerns in Lambhill. Have not had time to go through all the players you have listed yet but using the herald online archive via google is free, quick and should help with cemetery and other info, death notices are usually the following day or two and obituaries followa day or two later. MS That is tremendous MS, I was unaware of being able to use google to access Herald online, great news!! The details you have provided match up exactly with those for James McLaughlin in the Alphabet of the Celts. If this is correct then he is buried with his former team mate Tom Maley. This is a great development bhoys!! camillo « Reply #11 on Jun 10, 2010, 12:29pm » weeshamrock « Reply #12 on Jun 10, 2010, 1:04pm » I tried to search the Herald via Google but was more out of depth than Paul Byrne at an abstinence seminar MS - can you give us a brief idiot's guide to how you use that search facility? Cheers maleysspirit « Reply #13 on Jun 10, 2010, 9:06pm » Sorry guys I should have been more specific. Tired posts last night, I wont get the chance to reply most days until the kids go down!! Its slightly tricky for some reason and not as straightforward as it should be.......the way I access it it is to click on the news part of google at the top and then type "glasgow herald" in the search box, this usually brings up a wee list on the left hand side and at the bottom is "archive". Click on this then you get a nice google news archive with the herald as its main search site and groups of years in a bar graph at the top. Click on the group of years you want at the top e.g. 1920-40 and from there you can check out the individual years and months until you get the date you want, the herald always had the "hatch, match and despatch" at the left of the front page so no need to trawl, obituaries can be further in though. You may want to sticky this. If you are still struggling, give me a list of players you need info on and death dates and I will work my way through them. Once into the herald archive pages stick it in your favourites or bookmark.......I am also on ancestry, a family history website and can do census and army record etc. lookups with some decent basic info, again time limits how much I can do but I will do what I can. A wee edit on this one the Herald archive is only searchable from January 1937 onward, I tried Michael Dolan there and found out! If anyone knows any teachers they can access the british library newspaper archive online which is fully searchable for free using the gage learning application, I used to have a free trial for this but its expired, a great resource for this type of research. viewparktims « Reply #14 on Jun 10, 2010, 11:52pm » Try this although there are gaps: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=GGgVawPscysC&dat=19380806&b_mode=2 Edited by Camillo, Aug 5 2011, 09:43 AM.
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| Camillo | Jan 25 2011, 06:19 AM Post #2 |
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« Reply #15 on Jun 11, 2010, 1:32am » I've got a couple of contacts in St Kents to have a look here for us in the next couple of days. camillo « Reply #16 on Jun 15, 2010, 11:41pm » I have James McLaughlin's final resting place. I'll have a quick run up tomorrow Edited by Camillo, Aug 5 2011, 09:44 AM.
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| Camillo | Jan 25 2011, 06:19 AM Post #3 |
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Section 3 - Lair 893 Once again as with Tom Maley who is also in St Kentigerns not such good news. We located his burial site but there is no headstone in an area which is gradually becoming overgrown. A number of Memorials have been reclaimed by various local flora and are now lost. St Kents is sadly losing staff as cemeteries are moving down the priority list of Glasgow City council and the process of decline will only accelerate imho. My wee girl wanted (as my bhoy did with Dan Doyles grave in Dalbeth) to put some flowers down on the site of his last resting place. Here are the pictures.   |
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| Camillo | Jan 25 2011, 06:20 AM Post #4 |
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good work again but like Dan Doyle so sad that the resting place is not marked. weeshamrock « Reply #19 on Jun 18, 2010, 11:02am » Sad stuff indeed. Hopefully in time we will be able to mark James' resting place more appropriately. There's no doubt we'll have some difficulty in raising funds for every individual player's grave marked, especially those who may only have placed a few times for the club, but I think if we liaise with the surviving families there's more hope that we can do something fitting for them. I'm certain there will be McLaughlin's in the Glasgow area who love our club and will be amazed that their ancestor played in the first team. Is that where we go next in respect of James? camillo « Reply #20 on Jul 9, 2010, 1:01pm » I think it's guys like James who we could do with researching more so that we can provide a fuller story of his life. Agree with WS that we could capture the imagination of the McLaughlin's with more details of James life. Was he a publican in Airdrie. If so which pub? neillennon « Reply #21 on Jul 9, 2010, 1:12pm » if he was a publican in airdrie i'll try and find the pub. they hold valuation records dating back to 1885 in airdrie library. these records tell you what the property was used for. the pub we thought he owed on high st airdrie was owned from the early 1900s by a guy called mulvey. so i'll try the other pubs next week Edited by Camillo, Aug 5 2011, 09:46 AM.
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| Camillo | Jan 25 2011, 06:21 AM Post #5 |
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This good looking lad played in goal for Celtic in 1889 against Blackburn as discovered on ws's founding father pics. Nice to put a face to a name..  |
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| Camillo | Jan 25 2011, 06:21 AM Post #6 |
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« Reply #23 on Jul 29, 2010, 7:22pm » hi see: http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/McLaughlin%2C+James+%281888-90%29+-+Grave http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/McLaughlin%2C+James+%281888-90%29 camillo « Reply #24 on Sept 3, 2010, 1:17pm » YYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS I always had a nagging doubt that we'd never seen the bold James's Birth certificate. Nothing amiss though and once again the Alphabet of Celts is proven to be spot on. James was born in Springburn. However how could I have missed the fact that a such good looking lad like the bold James McLaughlin could be anything but a Springburn Bhoy and that his dad in all probability worked in the Caley. Also fits nicely with his first club being Cowlairs. Edited by Camillo, Aug 5 2011, 09:46 AM.
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| Camillo | Jan 25 2011, 06:22 AM Post #7 |
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I have spoken to the family of James McLaughlin who gave me a clue that James went on to be a successful referee. Sure enough, here's one of the games he officiated in on 12th August 1893. He couldn't be accused of being a "homer" as the final result was Hibs 2, Heart 10  and another earlier match from 13th February 1892. Leith 2-St Bernards 0  What was the system of refereeing. Was James McLaughlin our first nominated referee? This is news to me C. I didn't realise that clubs nominated referees, as opposed to linesmen. I suppose Rangers have been nominating their own referees for well over a century now though ;-) camillo « Reply #28 on Oct 9, 2010, 12:02am » Maybe each club had to put up a list of former players, be good to find out. weeshamrock « Reply #29 on Oct 9, 2010, 12:58am » Edited by Camillo, Aug 5 2011, 09:47 AM.
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| Camillo | Jan 25 2011, 06:24 AM Post #8 |
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:-[ Hmmm. Might have been helpful if I'd thought to look here first . . . entry on James from the Alphabet: That must be the medal his son wears round his neck, the North Eastern Final. Aye think in future the Alphabet entry is the starting point for all. |
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| Camillo | Jan 25 2011, 06:24 AM Post #9 |
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From the scrapbook of James McLaughlin's grandson Bill.
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| Camillo | Jan 25 2011, 06:25 AM Post #10 |
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From the scrapbook of James McLaughlin's grandson Bill.   His refereeing career   
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