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Dolan, Michael - LOCATED WITH PIC
« Thread Started on Jun 7, 2010, 12:54pm »
I have a Michael Dolan dying on 28th October 1910. He dies in Cumberland Street in the Gorbals

The wiki has him dying on July 27th 1910.

This Michael Dolan who died in October was aged 42 which is the correct age for him in the Wiki.

There is no record of a Michael Dolan born in Uddingston in 1868 as the Wiki says?

The only Michael Dolan born in Scotland in 1868 was born in Edinburgh on April 18th 1868.
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« Reply #1 on Jun 7, 2010, 1:16pm »
OK might be getting somewhere.

I have another Michael Dolan dying on July 27th 1910 (the same date as the Wiki). He lived in Uddingston at 25 Greenrig Street and was married to Mary Ann (Rollay?).

He was a miner and he was 51 when he died. His parents were John and Catherine. Just need to connect Frank to one of these familes now.
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« Reply #2 on Jun 7, 2010, 1:29pm »
Frank Dolan born 1870 in 24th April 1870 at Old Monklands as recorded in the alphabet of Celts. Parents John and Catherine Dolan.

We have the correct Michael then dying in Uddingston in 1910 but aged 51 and not 42.
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« Reply #3 on Jun 7, 2010, 1:59pm »
OK we have Michael Dolan

Born September 30th 1859 in Buchanan Street, Bannans Land, Coatbridge,

Child Of John and Catherine (nee' Rourke) Dolan.

This means he was 29 when he played in the First Eleven and not 20.

Brother Francis (Frank) born 24th April 1870 at Old Monkland parents John and Catherine Dolan.

Michael Dolan passed away on July 27th 1910 (the same date as the Wiki). He lived in Uddingston at 25 Greenrig Street. He left a widow Mary Ann Dolan (nee' Rollay? or Reilly).

Unsure if they had any children
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Re: Michael Dolan
« Reply #4 on Jun 7, 2010, 3:01pm »
I've checked with the Archdoicese and Michael Dolan is not buried at Dalbeth.

Going on the Uddingston address the most likely burial place would have been Bothwellpark in Viewpark.

I contacted North Lanarkshire Coucil but unfortunately they don't have a record of him in Bothwellpark
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« Reply #5 on Jun 7, 2010, 4:12pm »
Fantastic work ghuys.
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« Reply #6 on Jun 7, 2010, 10:03pm »
Tremendous research bhoys!!

We know where the man died, a great step forward in such a short time. Might there be other RC cemetries, including some which have closed, in that part of Lanarkshire including Hamilton?

I'll try and get to the Mitchell this week and check the sporting and Catholic press around 27th July 1910 to see if the cemetery is mentioned. This was certainly common at the time for such details to be publicised depending on the individual. The fact that W Maley was in charge of the team and J Kelly was a director along with M Dunbar meant the club paid particular attention to the deaths of their former team mates. Fingers crossed.

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« Reply #7 on Jun 9, 2010, 2:00am »
Near, but no cigar . . .

At the Mitchell I was able to track a reference to Michael Dolan's passing in the sporting press - but no mention of a cemetery.

We are lucky that for a few years Tom Maley (whom VT and I believe scored a hat-trick against the Huns in our first ever game) was a writer on the Glasgow Observer, and would pen a weekly column mostly focused on Celtic. This is a mine of wonderful information about the players, directors and others associated with the club in the early years.


As part of 'Maley's Football Notes' in the August 18, 1910 edition, we have the following:


Another Celt Gone
And so another of the old brigade has crossed the stream. The late M. Dolan whose death was announced last week, was one of two brothers who played for the Celts what time the foundation was being laid of the greatest erection ini football.

He was a goalkeeper of considerable ability, and though he never quite filled the official eye, he was always considered a very good man, and held in high esteem and much respected by all with whom he came in contact at the old enclosure. He was in those faraway days an enthusiastic Celt, and though the years come between, I am pretty certain that enthusiasm never waned.

He was goalkeeper for the famous reserve eleven which made such a great record during season 1890-91 and wound up their affairs by whacking St Mirren reserves or 2nd XI by thirteen goals to one on the 24th February 1891. The Celtic side on that day was - Dolan (RIP); Collins and Dunbar (RIP); Murray, F. Dolan and Kyle; Cunningham (RIP); Devlin, Coleman, Foran and M'Geechan.

The deceased was always at his best, or rather lived quite up to if not beyond his great Lanarkshire reputation, when he began the afternoon's operations by having to start straight away against heavy bombardment. His brother Frank was a centre-half very much above the average. He played good football, placing being the leading characteristic. The only little drawback was lack of speed and perhaps more apparent by contrast than it deserved otherwise. James Kelly was then on top form and his great recovery work and electrical dashes were so frequently on view for Parkhead frequenters that aught else lacking in those qualities was - well, tolerated.

The goalkeeper was the senior in years and his death found him in his fifthy first year. Peace to his soul and to those bereft I offer my sympathy, and no doubt in my wishes many who have followed the club since the year when Dolan guarded the uprights join with equal sincerity."
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« Reply #8 on Jun 9, 2010, 10:51am »
Brilliant stuff ws. These guys really are coming alive before my very eyes. Did you have to type that up yourself?

I'll ask on CM for other idea for a burial spot
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« Reply #9 on Jun 9, 2010, 1:46pm »

Jun 9, 2010, 10:51am, camillo wrote:
Brilliant stuff ws. These guys really are coming alive before my very eyes. Did you have to type that up yourself?

I'll ask on CM for other idea for a burial spot


That is exactly how it feels for me C. The more we find out, the more their life story becomes alive again. It such a worthwhile project.

I had to type it up. I print off in A4 in the Mitchell where possible to save on money so the text is usually v small - not so easy to type it all in! But there's so much great detail in Tom Maley's columns it's worth it. Found out a lot about Neilly McCallum also thanks to TM's writings.
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Re: Michael Dolan
« Reply #10 on Jun 9, 2010, 3:06pm »
If only these Glasgow Observers were digitised - I would glady pay to see ALL of them
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Re: Michael Dolan
« Reply #11 on Jun 9, 2010, 4:21pm »

Jun 9, 2010, 3:06pm, viewparktims wrote:
If only these Glasgow Observers were digitised - I would glady pay to see ALL of them


Stop it VT, you're getting me enthralled at the idea!! If only, if only . . .

I've printed off lots of content over the last year or two. Mostly focuses on the club's first year or two (incl match reports). The coverage of Celtic affairs got a lot more detailed after the first decade. Anything you're after give me a shout and I'll check it out. I can scan in the pages I've printed, quality might be a bit dubious though.
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Re: Michael Dolan
« Reply #12 on Jun 18, 2010, 12:21pm »
Our first ever goalkeeper has remained elusive.

He died in Uddingston so is most likely buried in Lanarkshire, although not at Bothwell Park or Dalbeth. Was born in Coatbridge

He died in 1910. Anyone aware which RC cemetries (although need not be RC) were open in Lanarskshire at that time?
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« Reply #13 on Jun 21, 2010, 11:13am »
Just to keep the records in one place. From VT,

Mick is included in the record of Pre-WWII players and it states he played for Drumpellier, Uddingston and Coatdyke Gaelic or Olympic.

It is also mentioned in the Alphabet if Celts that the Lord Provost of Glasgow in the 1950s boasted that he lived up the same close as the Dolan brothers at 401 Great Eastern Road, Glasgow but it doesn't give a date for that - maybe it will fit with 1891.

The brother was Francis Dolan who also played for Celtic from 1890 until 1894. The birth data included in the Alphabet of Celts for him is that he was born on 24th April 1870 at Old Monkland and died on 12th February 1933.
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« Reply #14 on Jul 2, 2010, 11:11am »
I've asked North Lanarkshire Council to check Coatbridge graveyard records
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« Reply #15 on Jul 3, 2010, 5:17pm »
I asked them too a few weeks back VT but no response.

I wonder if it's worth getting a Michael Dolan thread up now on KDS and CM as it's the weekend.
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« Reply #16 on Jul 3, 2010, 6:41pm »
Yes Camillo deffo.

There's a kudos involved in finding the last of the First Eleven.


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« Reply #17 on Jul 3, 2010, 10:12pm »

Jul 3, 2010, 5:17pm, camillo wrote:
I asked them too a few weeks back VT but no response.

I wonder if it's worth getting a Michael Dolan thread up now on KDS and CM as it's the weekend.


I will call back on Tuesday if they don't phone me
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« Reply #18 on Jul 4, 2010, 1:25am »
The Dolans have a connection to the Slavins as a couple of Slvin family trees overlap with the Dolan tree

John Dolan and Catherine O'Rourke

Children

Patrick Dolan b 1858
Michael Dolan b1859
Mary Dolan b 1863
Margaret Dolan b1864
John Dolan b 1864
Catherine Dolan b1866
Francis Dolan b 1870
James Dolan b1872
Alice Dolan b 1874

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1. JOHN DOLAN -Gender: Male Birth: 28 JUL 1864 Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
2. CATHERINE DOLAN - Gender: Female Birth: 04 APR 1866 Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland [Remove]
3. PATRICK DOLAN Gender: Male Birth: 27 FEB 1858 Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland [Remove]
4. MARY DOLAN Gender: Female Birth: 10 JAN 1863 Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland [Remove]
5. MICHAEL DOLAN Gender: Male Birth: 30 SEP 1859 Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland [Remove]
6. JAMES DOLAN Gender: Male Birth: 16 SEP 1872 Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland [Remove]
7. ALICE DOLAN -Gender: Female Birth: 21 MAR 1874 Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland [Remove]
8. FRANCIS DOLAN Gender: Male Birth: 24 APR 1870 Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland

John Dolan and Catherine Rourke
Marriage: 27 APR 1857 Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
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« Reply #19 on Jul 4, 2010, 1:26am »
This member of genes re-united has the whole family in her tree
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« Reply #20 on Jul 4, 2010, 11:48am »
Hi all, Have been tryig to help out from CM and decided to take a closer look here.

Wathc for the family tree stuff. It's quite common for folk to copy info from anywhere they see it and stick it in their family tree without checking or verifying.

It'd be a bit like seeing someone post a rumour saying Bellamy is signing and then finding someone else has him in their team list online.

So by all means use the info as clues but don't take at face value straight away. Apologies if teaching folk to suck eggs on post 1
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« Reply #21 on Jul 4, 2010, 6:08pm »
Good point StevieMac.

Noted.


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« Reply #22 on Jul 5, 2010, 12:17am »
The poster I mentioned emailed me back with accurate info about the Dolans

I got information on Michael Dolan, Margaret Dolan brother if that is the one you want information about,I got it off a member or it was some information my dad's brother Peter Slavin gave me. Michael Dolan son of John Dolan & Catherine O'Rourke b, 30 Sept, 1859 Old Monklands died Uddingston N, Lanrakshire, he m, a Mary Clara Rolley not much information after that,I have all John Dolan & Catherine O'Rourke children also if you need them, If you want any more information feel free to get in touch with me again, I would be only too gladly to help in any way I can, please keep in touch with me again.

I'll get back in touch with her and tell her of our interest. The info could be confirmed on Ancestry on the census page but I think this is decent and "free" info.

Not a great uptake on the CM and KDS boards. I think you need to keep feeding the threads info to keep them alive. One page 5 on CM now after 12 hours.
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« Reply #23 on Jul 5, 2010, 11:21am »
North Lanark are helping us with this

His wife Mary Ann Dolan died in 1954 in Bothwell aged 92. They may get his resting place from hers.



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« Reply #24 on Jul 5, 2010, 12:38pm »
Great news C - fingers crossed
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« Reply #25 on Jul 5, 2010, 12:43pm »
Mary Ann Dolan is in St Patricks, New Stevenston.

Died Jan 1954 aged 92.

Sadly Michael is not there with her.
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« Reply #26 on Jul 5, 2010, 4:26pm »
Found him

North Lanarkshire Council called back to say he is in:

Old Monkland Cemetery

Section 26

Lair No 87

I'll stick a new post up in CM if someone else wants to post it on KDS assuming there is a thread there as well
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« Reply #27 on Jul 5, 2010, 4:31pm »

Jul 5, 2010, 4:26pm, viewparktims wrote:
Found him

North Lanarkshire Council called back to say he is in:

Old Monkland Cemetery

Section 26

Lair No 87

I'll stick a new post up in CM if someone else wants to post it on KDS assuming there is a thread there as well


Excellent - Great Stuff vpt.
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« Reply #28 on Jul 5, 2010, 5:27pm »
Well done Bhoys - great perseverance!

If it had been New Stevenston he would have been in with James Kelly. Anyone know where Old Monklands cemetery is - over Airdrie way?

That's the set completed. A truly wonderful project. Congratulations everyone on showing what can be achieved when Celtic supporters get together and put their minds to it. Humbling.
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Re: *****Michael Dolan******LOCATED
« Reply #29 on Jul 5, 2010, 5:29pm »
Fantastic news.

Saves me a trip to the Mitchell tonite to double check some stuff.

Who fancies a trip up to get some pics?
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It's in Coatbridge.

Great work lads. We've achieved so much it's astonishing but still got somw work to do in deciding how these men are commemerated.
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Went up this afternoon in not the best of weather so the picture quality isn't great. Sadly no headstone exists. The grave is right by another whose location is clearly marked so easy to find. Cemetery very well maintained too.

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Nice one Camillo. That's a shame there's no marking at all.

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« Reply #33 on Jul 6, 2010, 6:10pm »
Great work mate.

Sad that another is lying in an unmarked grave.
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« Reply #34 on Jul 6, 2010, 6:11pm »
Well done boys. Thinks you should chuck yer real jobs. Gettin good at this!!
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« Reply #35 on Jul 6, 2010, 9:02pm »
Thanks for this. Dont know if I am related, but as a Dolan, it feels good to know this little bit of history wont be forgotten.

As for the unmarked graves I'm sure there are enough sentimental Bhoys out there who would chuck in a few quid to sort that out. Getting permission might be more awkward than raising the cash.
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« Reply #36 on Jul 6, 2010, 10:42pm »
That'll be one of the things up for discussion now that they've been found justjoe. Welcome to the forum btw.
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« Reply #37 on Jul 6, 2010, 10:43pm »

Jul 6, 2010, 9:02pm, justjoe wrote:
Getting permission might be more awkward than raising the cash.


You're probably right there Joe. Liaison with the family, if traceable, will be the first objective. Great to see you appreciate the effort. Enough Dolans out there who must be connected to our first goalkeeper for sure!
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Re: Michael Dolan - LOCATED WITH PIC
« Reply #38 on Aug 5, 2010, 1:20pm »
I'll put this on the hitlist too but it would be great to get a better photo of his resting place as it currently stands.

It's ten minutes walk from Kirkwood station and is very easy to find. The cemetery is well staffed too.

For the record the lair owner was Bridget Rowley nee' Curran who died just before 30th March 1911.

His father in law George Rowley (buried 17/9/1891) and mother in law Bridget Rowley nee' Curran are also buried there as well as a Margaret Whelan.
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« Reply #39 on Aug 7, 2010, 8:53am »
Great work again lads.
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As requested some further images of Michael Dolans resting place:

Michael's grave lies just to the left of the main stone in this picture, as you can see the lair is unmarked.

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Outstanding stuff Ants!!!
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« Reply #42 on Oct 10, 2010, 5:49pm »
Excellent work
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« Reply #43 on Oct 10, 2010, 7:03pm »
That's great work antsplan. Really great just to have such great photos. Looking forward to you taking some pics with a stone there instead.

Thanks for going out there.
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« Reply #44 on Oct 19, 2010, 11:07am »
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« Reply #45 on Nov 2, 2010, 4:22pm »

Oct 19, 2010, 11:07am, joebloggscity wrote:
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My first post. Coming from Coatbridge and having being involved with the Coatbridge Irish Genealogy Project, I've been really intrigued with this story.

All you guys have to take tremendous credit. Brilliant work. I tried about 8 years ago to link Michael Dolan with Coatbridge knowing that he had played for the Coatbridge sides, Drumpellier and Coatdyke. But fair play to you for linking him with Buchanan St, Coatbridge.

Buchanan St, near St Augustines Church was a haven for Irish migrants who came to Coatbridge in search of work in the iron works and mines. Around the time Michael was born, Coatbridge would have been awash with Irish. in 1851 the Irish made up 35.8% of the Coatbridge population compared to 7% in Scotland as a whole.

There is a very good chance that you would be able to locate his original birth submission in the parish register at St Patrick's Coatbridge. These started in 1847. Also, does anyone have a photograph of Michael ? The other question I'd like to ask is, does anyone know where in Ireland his parents came from, as they were both classed as being born in Ireland in the census ?

Being from Coatbridge, I'm really proud that Celtic's first goalkeeper was born in the town, and I'm sure the rest of the town would love to be aware of this story. Also, it would be great if a stone was to be erected on the burial place, and without a doubt I'm sure many of the Celtic supporters clubs in the town would get behind raising money for this cause.

Another thing struck me while looking at the 1871 census records whilst he was aged 11 and still a child and living in Coatbridge, he was employed as a miner. A chilling thought. Well for my first post I think I've said enough. Congratulations again. Great Project.
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« Reply #46 on Nov 2, 2010, 4:35pm »
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Great first post. We've tried to dig further into Michaels' story in particular to try to trace his family. As you can see there is no headstone on his grave so it would be a great project if the Celts in Coatbridge could raise sufficient funds to see our first ever goalie honoured.

We have gone so far down the road of tracing his family to the 1930's. Perhaps you'd like to become involved with us in this. I'll send you a PM in the next day or say.

There is another story out there about the number of Irish miners in North Lanarkshire who played a huge part in our formation. The first Ever Eleven had a high percentage of families form mining communities.

We've yet to find a photo of Michael but the fact that his brother Frank also played for us makes me hope that one or other of his families will be able to provide us with a photo.

Once again, great first posting and I look forward to working with you.



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« Reply #47 on Nov 2, 2010, 6:23pm »
Here is the original entry for Michael Dolan from St Patrick's Church Coatbridge. Looks like his sponsor was an Ann Callaghan and the priest who baptised him was Fr Michael O'Keefe.

For the life of me I'd be struggling to remember when I saw that query for Michael from one of his family in the evening times. Must be at least a few years back. What I do recall though is that there was no contact number or address, so it would be a difficult one to follow even if the article was located.


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« Reply #48 on Nov 4, 2010, 6:02pm »
That's great work Slapup. Great to have a Coatbridge connection with the First XI. Camillo's done some grand work also trying to race Mick's descendants, your info really gives the whole thing fresh impetus.

The defence has a big Lanarkshire emphasis with Eddie Pearson buried in Cambusnethan and James Kelly in New Stevenson.
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« Reply #49 on Nov 16, 2010, 5:19pm »

Nov 4, 2010, 6:02pm, weeshamrock wrote:
That's great work Slapup. Great to have a Coatbridge connection with the First XI. Camillo's done some grand work also trying to race Mick's descendants, your info really gives the whole thing fresh impetus.

The defence has a big Lanarkshire emphasis with Eddie Pearson buried in Cambusnethan and James Kelly in New Stevenson.


Sorry weeshamrock hadn't seen your post before. I've heard there are quite a few decendants of Mick Dolan still in Coatbrig. Just wondering if you think it'd be a good idea to put the story in the local rag, The Airdrie and Coatbridge Advertiser. That way you might get family involved, also you might get a photo of Mick and from my Coatbridge Irish genealogy perspective, we might find out where in Ireland the Dolans came from. You can let me know if you'd be happy to go with this.
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« Reply #50 on Nov 17, 2010, 1:55am »
This is definitely something we'd be interested in slapup. Some roots research has been going on in the background so once we've made some headway with that will come back to you re the local paper etc. The good people of Coatbrig will hopefully enjoy this story. Thankfully there are no bad people in Coatbrig ;-)
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PS - any online resources re the Coatbridge Irish Genealogy Project? Def would like to take a look at that.
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« Reply #52 on Nov 17, 2010, 11:59am »

Nov 17, 2010, 1:56am, weeshamrock wrote:
PS - any online resources re the Coatbridge Irish Genealogy Project? Def would like to take a look at that.


http://www.monklands.co.uk/cigp/index.htm
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« Reply #53 on Nov 17, 2010, 5:12pm »

Nov 17, 2010, 11:59am, viewparktims wrote:

Nov 17, 2010, 1:56am, weeshamrock wrote:
PS - any online resources re the Coatbridge Irish Genealogy Project? Def would like to take a look at that.


http://www.monklands.co.uk/cigp/index.htm


The Coatbridge Irish Genealogy Project website is down at the moment, but hope to have it up and running again in the next couple of weeks.
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Hi Guys.

Haven't posted for a while.

Just wondering if there has been any developement with regard to finding any of Michael Dolan's family and of possible plans to mark his grave.

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Slap Up - get in touch. Michael is on our 'hitlist' for the first eleven; would be great to make contact with the local community to develop a plan.
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