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Gents I am currently working on Hugh Darroch and James Mckay our original treasurers and who were key founding commitee members according to some of the latest info turned up by members of this board and elsewhere..

There is more information on both here.

http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/topic/8313783/4/.

Caltonbhoy67 has contacted the Archdiocese and neither is buried in Dalbeth, which is maybe unexpected given they both died in the area usually connected to the cemetery.

The other possibility for Hugh is that he was buried with his father who also died young ( between Hughs birth in 1859 and the 1861 census), though from County Antrim his dad stayed at 64 Bell St. New Monkland ( need to check if this is Airdrie or Coatbridge, anyone know?) in the 1851 census.

I found a snippet in the Herald archive last night about a court case in 1892 where Hughs sister in law pursued a former employee of his for removing a hearth and stove from his property and she was based in Coatbridge, which makes me think a Monklands cemetery may be a possible, any other ideas or help on this one appreciated.

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MS.

Michael Dolan is buried in Old Monklands as I suspect that it was an alternative local burial place for North Lanarkshire catholics.

St Patrick's Cemetery, New Stevenston didn't open until 1926 so if they died before then they won't be in there . Do you have a date of death for either of them?

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I think 22nd August 1924 for James and confirmed 21st September 1891 for Hugh.

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Try emailing Geraldine Kay at North Lanarkshire.

KayG@northlan.gov.uk

Give her the dates and ask if they are buried in Old Monklands Cemetery to start with.

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Great info C.

And I think you might just have pointed me in the direction of my great, great grandparents also!! Brilliant.

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Camillo neither of them are buried at Old Monkland, they only have records from 1901 for there.

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Have we checked the Herald on the date of death of either Hugh Darroch or James McKay.

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Thanks Sureitza. Bit of a mystery still.

Given his position it would be a major surprise if his death wasn't covered somewhere.

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It would almost certainly have been covered in the Glasgow Observer of the day given Hugh's Celtic/St Mary's links. Probably also mentioned in the Celtic Handbook if there is one for that year.

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Another graveyard in Lanarkshire it might be worth considering:



Holytown Cemetery
Cheryl94 is a contributor to the KDS Wiki and she's done some great research on her great grandfather, Hugh Clifford. Hugh played for Hibs in their first game at Celtic Park then joined Celtic a while later after a spell down south. Hugh, who was from Carfin (and played for the famed Shamrock of that era) is buried in Holytown Churchyard/Cemetery, so I think there's a good chance that other RCs from that generation might also be buried there.

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Don`t want to steal his thunder but just had confirmation via text from Paul that Hugh Darroch is buried in Dalbeth according to his obituary in the Glasgow Observer, he checked it out at the Mitchell today.

Worth another check with the Archdiocese or are their records incomplete in some cases?

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Found Hugh's obituary in the Glasgow Observer. The same BMD notice appeared in the Observer on 19th September 1891 as had already been in the Herald. The obituary confirms that Hugh died as a result of cancer and was interned at Dalbeth after a requiem mass at St Alphonsus. The obituary outlines his involvement and love for Celtic:

Football was his favourite game. He was among the first promoters of the Celtic Club and on its institution he was elected Treasurer. In his death the club loses a zealous and devoted supporter. At their game on Saturday - out of respect for deceased - the club's team wore craps bands on their arms.

A terrible loss aged only 32.

It may be that Hugh was the first person Celtic players ever work black armbands as a mark of respect at their passing?

Would be good to see a match report for that game: 12th September 1891 in the League away to Abercorn. Am sure Hugh will rate a further mention in the sporting press.

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Unfortunately no mention in The Scotsman match report:

http://www.londonhearts.com/scores/images/1891/1891091205.htm

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Great news and another in Dalbeth which makes complete sense. Well done WS. Bet you're chuffed with that.

Any chance that he been buried there with an Irish spelling of his name. Did I read Darragh on another thread (maybe in KDS)

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Phoned again MS - Still said no record of either Hugh Darroch and James McKay - Told her that we had The Observer saying Hugh Darroch and was interred in Dalbeth - She said she would check the older records again and phone me back.

She phoned me back and has now found Hugh Darroch in Old Dalbeth (East Side) - Will put lair number on database.Old Dalbeth hasn't been used for over 40 years. - It is the area up from Jimmy McGrory's over the big wall.

No joy as yet with James McKay but I still suspect he will be at Rest in Dalbeth.

Also confirmed John H McLaughlin is at Rest in Dalbeth (again have details) - It is not the grave I was questioning and had my doubts about. - Cause of death was given as Paralysis. "H" in the middle name according to his death certificate was for "Hubert" apparently.


The woman in the Archdiocese is interested in all this and remarkably she is not pissed off with me yet. :)

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Put it down to your charm and repartee' CB rather than her patience ;).

Old Dalbeth. :o

Might need to do some clambering on Thursday. :)

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There is another Darroch buried in Dalbeth

Mary (Pattison) Darroch died 1/10/1888

Related?

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I suspect sadly that there is little likelihood of a surviving headstone. Here is what Old Dalbeth looked like until recently.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,338593.0.html

And a list of headstones contained within.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,352095.0.html

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Great work, you old charmer CB67. You've got that lovely wummin at the Archdiocese eating out of the palm of yer hand . . .

I had a look over the wall to the Old cemetery when last at Dalbeth, there were very few monuments standing. Not that easy to get into either from what I could see. Will just have to punt Camillo over that big wall and hope for the best!

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Hughs wife was a widow called Mary Walls or Neeson, Walls being her original name. They married in St Andrews cathedral on 26th December 1888.

His older sisters were Mary born around 1849, Catherine b. circa 1852 and Bridget b. circa 1854, they are all in the 1871 census.

If the Mary Darroch you have is his sister they may be buried in the same plot.

I wouldn`t mind getting into Old Dalbeth as I have a lot of family buried there on my mums side, they lived in Bridgeton for about five generations til the second world war.

A cousin contacted the diocese for lair numbers a while back but despite promises got nothing back , seems they are more proactive now.

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Great work by WS and CB1967 in finding Hughs whereabouts. We need those "observers" for the detail!

There may be surviving family as Hugh and Mary had one son also Hugh who is one year old in the 1891 census, which I found eventually. Mary also had two sons in this census living with them, Patrick and Thomas Neeson ( aged 12 and 10 respectively)[/quote

maleysspirit

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The 1901 census has young Hugh and his mother Mary with step brother Thomas Neeson, a clerk, in Springburn/Dennistoun, 311 Onslow Drive to be precise.

Possible marraiges up to 1930 in Glasgow from SP
1 1922 DARROCH HUGH ANDREW MARY MEIKLEJOHN CALTON (GLASGOW) GLASGOW/LANARK 644/03 0966 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
2 1916 DARROCH HUGH FLEMING CHRISTINA ST ANDREW (EDINBURGH) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN 685/02 0606 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
3 1924 DARROCH HUGH MACFARLANE JESSIE BOTHWELL /LANARK 625/01 0099 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
4 1906 DARROCH HUGH MCPHERSON MAGGIE GORBALS GLASGOW/LANARK 644/12 0015 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
5 1919 DARROCH HUGH O'DONNELL ANNIE PAISLEY /RENFREW 573/01 0520 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
6 1928 DARROCH HUGH SHAW MARGARET BUIE GORBALS GLASGOW/LANARK 644/17 0308 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
7 1927 DARROCH HUGH MCIVER CAM KIRKPATRICK ANNIE GREENOCK WEST /RENFREW 564/02 0162 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
8 1909 DARROCH HUGH PATRICH DONACHIE VERONICA ANN BLYTHSWOOD GLASGOW/LANARK 644/10 0057 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

weeshamrock

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The first marriage there: Darroch and Meiklejohn, in the Calton.

Could Mary Meiklejohn be related to the early C'tee member?

caltonbhoy1967

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Do you mean David Meikleham who was on the First Committee ws or was there also a Meiklejohn somewhere on the scene?

weeshamrock

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I did CB - but getting my 'hams and 'johns mixed up!

camillo

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Red Herring for the other Mary Darroch in Dalbeth.

Maiden name was Darroch (daughter of Samuel Darroch) and she was 67 when she passed away giving her a birth year of 1821.

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Hugh Darrochs obituary from the Observer, thanks to weeshamrock for this.

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When we doing the podcast we found the grave of a Hugh Darroch. Thought we'd found him but closer inspection showed he died in 1975. Could it be his son?

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It was hilarious. We'd wondered over to the old Dalbeth graveyard to have a look over the wall for Hugh's headstone and as we walked towards the wall the headstone right in front of us said 'Hugh Darroch'! Initial delight turned to dismay. There must be a good chance that this individual is related to our Hugh?

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If he was 85 when he died in 1975, theres a fair to middling chance it is Hughs son also Hugh.

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Hughs grave will be unmarked in Old Dalbeth, see my post re the cemetery in the General board.

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:o

is that his son?

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Hugh Darroch the Celtic treasurer died in 1891 but I wonder if this could be his son Hugh (mentioned above - a Hugh Darroch buried in Dalbeth who died in the 1970s).

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I think it's the grandson getting married

Might be helpful for tracing relatives

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For future reference on the other Hugh Darroch headstone the dedication was by Alice and Linda.

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Sorry but it cant be Hughs grandson as his son Hugh was born in 1890 two years after Hugh snr married and a year before his death, Hughs wife was Mary Walls or Neeson and there is no record of Hugh having any other children.

Good coincidence but wrong Hugh Darroch, if he is one of your relatives you may have some Antrim Darraghs in your family history though!

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The bold Mr Darroch has been giving us a fair few bodyswerves! Miss Marple would struggle to pin this bhoy down.

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I'm a hannigan ;)

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A brilliant development - one of Hugh's descendants has just posted on the KDS site!


Hi
I just wanted to post to say I think the research you have all done is fantastic, I am Hugh Darroch's great grand daughter and it has been brilliant to find out so much about him from all your posts. We never really knew much about him other than that he was said to be one of the first treasurers so we are all so pleased to find all this new information. Like me, our whole family are still all huge Celtic fans, I guess it is in the blood from day 1! My dad was also Hugh Darroch as was his father, there have been 6 generations of Hugh Darroch, each one the only son in the family, my brother is the one for our generation. My grandfather, Hugh Darroch, died when my dad was only 9 as a result of lung damage from being injured and the gas attacks when he was in the Battle of the Somme. Interestingly, the family story goes that my granny apparently acted as an unofficial translator for the team for some european game or tour too when she was very young. Anyway I won't bore you with any more family tales, I just wanted to say thanks for all the great research you did, we are really proud of our great grandfather and his role in Celtic's history.
Hail hail!
Mairi Darroch